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This is not related only to Bellydance events but also to SCA too.
Me and my husband want to bring our 2-year old daughter to an annual SCA event that take place for 5 days.
It includes camping outside, bring your own food for 5 days, fire camping and everything.
It is our seventh time we go, but first time with kid.
Usually, we party and dance all nights by the fireside.
So I know this one is going to be VERY different but we've discussed it and we know what to expect.
I know some of you moms go to Pennsic for instance and such...
Everytime I tell people about it,
they all tell me all the reasons NOT to bring her...
any word of encouragement here please. :-)
My daughter is ususally a sweet heart, I take her to practice since she was little,
she's used to long travels, seeing a lot of people and music and all...
So I'm sure she'll be fine.
Any moms out there with nice words...
thanks
Me and my husband want to bring our 2-year old daughter to an annual SCA event that take place for 5 days.
It includes camping outside, bring your own food for 5 days, fire camping and everything.
It is our seventh time we go, but first time with kid.
Usually, we party and dance all nights by the fireside.
So I know this one is going to be VERY different but we've discussed it and we know what to expect.
I know some of you moms go to Pennsic for instance and such...
Everytime I tell people about it,
they all tell me all the reasons NOT to bring her...
any word of encouragement here please. :-)
My daughter is ususally a sweet heart, I take her to practice since she was little,
she's used to long travels, seeing a lot of people and music and all...
So I'm sure she'll be fine.
Any moms out there with nice words...
thanks
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Mon, June 18, 2007 - 3:38 PMWhile I've never been to any SCA events, it sounds like it would be alot of fun! As long as you and your husband know what to expect, I don't think there should be any issues with taking your daughter with you. If anything I think this could be a really cool bonding thing to do with her! Have fun! -
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Mon, June 18, 2007 - 7:32 PMI agree! I have taken my kids to countless belly dance events. Hec, a few times I've even had to bring them to gigs with me when I was really stuck. I think it's actually a really good learning experience for them. It not only exposes them to different things, people and places, it is also a lesson in how to be patient and cooperative. : ) It's also a good lesson in patience for the parents! lol
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Tue, June 19, 2007 - 12:24 AMSounds like a lot of fun! my only concern would be the kidling wandering off or not getting enough sleep. I would do some practice camping if you have time to make sure she knows what the new boundaries are and teach her how to adapt her schedule to a very different situation. -
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Tue, June 19, 2007 - 7:36 AMThat's a good idea Lara!
thanks all for your kind words.
I've found the Pennsic parents tribe so I'll check there too for advice.
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I'm sure she'll enjoy it!
We have a camp there that is childproof enough so that I can enjoy it too :-P
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Tue, June 19, 2007 - 12:41 PMThis will be Ava's third year (well fourth if you count in utero) at pennsic and we have enjoyed every year. Any event is different with a kid but getting to see it all from her point of view is great. Things i never even notice got talked about on our walks with her in the sling last year. She kept talking aobut the animals on the encampment walls which I don't even notice anymore, about the moon, the music, the pretty banners, people's pretty clothes. You don't get as much communication with them in a wagon so make sure to do the sling thing every once in a while so that you can chat. Get a wagon with the flip seats and cup holders, very decadent! See music shows, they are great from thier point of view. -
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Sat, June 23, 2007 - 4:11 AMziah is absolutely correct. there is SOOO much you see all over again with a child, and i'm sure it'll warm your heart to know she's having a great time.
as for drumming, partying,dancing circles at night, what my husband and i do is alternate. one night is his night to go party, and i stay in camp and sit around the fire and bs with campmates if i don't want to sleep, and the next night we switch. that way, we don't feel like we've given up all the fun night stuff to play parents.
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Sat, June 23, 2007 - 4:13 AMps--there is a LOT of children's activities also, that i'd never noticed until i had mine....
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Tue, July 3, 2007 - 12:25 AMI've brought my daughter to near every dance event I've been to. At three years old she had her first dance around a bonfire. We taught her all the fire rules in advance, of course. Just make sure that if you bring her by the fire, someone's always got their eye on her to make sure she doesn't get too close. She'll learn the rules quickly. It was one of the most fulfilling experiences as I've had to see my daughter dancing with one of the other women around the bonfire.
I'm not going to lie to you. It's not going to be easy. I don't know what kind of schedule your daughter has, but I found mine loved staying up late at night to dance with me. She used to stay up until after midnight for the drum circle every month. She still stays up late for special occasions for the drum circles. In other words, a child doesn't need to be a limiting factor on your fun, as long as you're willing to do what it takes to let yourself have your fun and still have your child there. You never know, she may really take to everything you do because it means she can have that time with you. And think of all the fun times you'll have together. And don't forget the camera! -
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Tue, July 3, 2007 - 6:00 AMDancing around a bonfire...
actually it is something that scares me.
But I know she follows rules so, we'll see.
It's going to be a test for me too. Learning how to let go and trust her judgements.
We have special rules when around the pool that she follows well so I hope fire is going to be the same.
My daugther is a want-too-see-it-all, so I don't think she'll have much sleep.
I'm more worried of her lack of sleep on the next day then not being able to have fun with her.
I know she'll enjoy every minute of it!
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Tue, July 10, 2007 - 6:08 PMOne of the things with Corde to help her understand that the fire isn't something to play with was to take her hand and hold it over a lit candle, like WAY over. She could feel the heat and not get burned, you know, right at the point where it's not burning you, but still really hot. As we did this we told her "Fire is too hot. If you get too close, you'll get burned, which is a big owwie. That's not fun. So you don't go near fire." We did this a couple times before we had her around candles at the drum circle. That small lesson, while painless, is a great way to help them remember that fire is too hot to be played with. That and dancing by a bonfire is hot. A lot of kids will keep their distance because they don't like being so close because it's too hot. Just make sure you keep an eye on her for a bit before you set her lose, or have her dance with you for a bit.
As for not sleeping, if she's still small enough to wear in a wrap carrier or a sling on your back, sling her up there and let her sleep while you walk from place to place if she's tired. Then again, Corde used to fall asleep at drum circles and bonfires right on the outside edge. She'd curl up and knock out. She said the music made her sleepy and happy, then would take a nap. Perhaps you'll have the same luck. -
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Tue, July 10, 2007 - 6:45 PMso cute!
Yes I'm planning on having a wrap carrier that can be used as far as 3 years old.
I definitively want to try that.
She weighs 30 pounds now but I'm used to carrying her in my arms (talk about those biceps I got!)
so a carrier will be so comfy!
Here's the website,
mamanautrement.com/
it's in french though (based in France but distributed in Canada and US)
I've seen it and the babies love it! I just have to see if my angel will.
and it will look natural, so ok for the SCA event.
She likes drum and music too,
I'm guessing she'll stay awake till she drops ;-p
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Wed, July 11, 2007 - 8:42 PMso, along the same lines- anyone here taken a 4 month old to Pennsic? I have several wraps/carriers (I'm used to carrying him most of the time, currently walking a lot since he;s teething), but he's too young for a wagon (sitting and don't think he'll enjoy laying in one. we have a hotel in case it gets to be too much/hot- and the nightly bath will help him maintain the sleep ritual. I know enough people who have taken babies to Pennsic, but not sure about this young. Zafira ladies= how old were Mina and Logan when they first went. Kai was about 6 months...
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Thu, July 12, 2007 - 7:31 AMToo far away from Pennsic- but for other gatherings- I swear my daughter's feet (belly/bum/anything) never touched the ground at the folk fest last year, between my sling & friends that would spirit her away so mama could relax.
there was a recent discussion on toddler wraps on BabyWearers Anonymous too ( tribes.tribe.net/babywearingjunkies ), if anyone is interested.
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Sun, July 22, 2007 - 10:00 PMHey Narah! See you really soon!! I think the only young baby I personally knew at Pennsic was Kamille's babe, he came at like 8 weeks and it was crazy. I think four months is much more managable. They are super cuddly and like to explore. I was freaky about Ava at 8 mo crawling in the grass and dirt at Pennsic because of the cigarette butts and bottle caps but she was fine, stayed dirty and it was great, never got sick. Her appetite does dwindle towards the end of each Pennsic but that shouldn't be much of an issue if he is still breast fed. Just make sure you keep yourself super hydrated, you are drinking for two. Bottles of water for him are fine also but don't go for the electrolyte stuff. -
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Sat, July 28, 2007 - 5:33 PMthanks Ziah! yeah, i might get the wagon just to carry around all the water (yep, still breast fed and he did enjoy drinking water from a cup the other day- his initiation-)and to have a changing station. it's going to be really fun seeing him explore all the sights, sounds and textures. :) yay, see you soon!!
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Fri, July 13, 2007 - 8:04 AMYeah, my daughter's a little dancer too. She used to dance until she dropped, but then she learned that it's better to lay down and sleep when you're tired. The first carrier they have on the list is the one I have. Well, it's not exactly, but it's the same idea. We love it. I can carry Corde on my back with it or Aris on my belly. Were I really ambitious, I could carry them both at once! And all the carriers on that site look so great. I'm hoping that by the time I finally get to Pennsic (I was hoping this year, but maybe it'll have to be next year...) that I can make a new one that looks a little more period and a little less modern, but mine was cheap and I needed it, so I can't complain. It can be a lifesaver when you have a tired child that's too sleepy to walk. And trust me, once their head is against you and they hear that heartbeat, they're usually out in no time if they're tired.
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Fri, July 13, 2007 - 10:05 AMWe bring our three kids almost EVERYWHERE! But we don't go with the attitude to get our money's worth. If we have to bail, we bail, it's a gamble, but worth it. If we have to take turns, one goes out with the noisy kid and *tries* to regroup, while the other gobbles down their meal. We have skiied taking turns with the kids in the lodge. And we've eaten at many fancy restaurants. Believe it or not, the fancy ones have less of an attitude about kids than you would think!
Anyway, I went to that dance camp in Mendocino, CA in 1996. It was full of kids and I loved it, despite I was single & childless then, and pretty easily irritated by bad parents. The kids were great because they participated as adults in many cases. I always wanted to go back again and bring my kids and my best friend (;0( ) -
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Fri, July 13, 2007 - 10:17 AMIt is so great to see many mothers and fathers carrying their children like that!
Talk about a value we desperetely need in our time!
So many parents are not always eager to share their good time with their kids.
I know a lot of friends who always eat supper AFTER the kids are alseep!
What a waste of good family time! (but that would be another subject right?)
Can't wait to "test" my new baby carryier next week.
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Tue, July 24, 2007 - 5:08 AMI just bought my Storchenwiege baby sling!
I just love it!!
I've tried 3-4 different models and this one was by far the most comfortable one and with a lot of support for shoulders and lower back.
I recommend it. and it comes in great shades of color too!
my daugther fussed everytime I tried the others but this one, she just loved it!
there are so many different ways to tie it.
check out the website for those who don't know about it.
www.storchenwiege.com/
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Tue, July 24, 2007 - 5:36 AMmy daughter has been coming to pennsic since she was a little over a year old. now, she's 22 and away in college and still comes. she loves it, and she loved growing up dancing.
i remember watching Pata grow up, Jenn pulling her in a wagon every night. Eventually, she'd go to sleep in her little bed in the wagon.
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Tue, July 24, 2007 - 12:08 PMThe three baby holds on the Storchenwiege website is wild! Makes me tired just looking at the picture -
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Tue, July 24, 2007 - 2:08 PMI was freaked out by two, imagine my surprise when I saw three!!
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 10:26 AMBring her...she will love it and so will you. Seeing the wonder and amazement in her pretty face will be worth it. I like the idea of taking turns with watching her, that way both you and your husband get some relax time. I had alot of people tell me off when I put my daughter on a "leash", actually it's a safety harness, but it works great to pull them back into safety if they begin to stray too far and it gives them a bit of room, they feel some independence without you having to worry and without your arms and back getting overly tired. She will have a great time, her schedule might get thrown out the window while your there, but it's easy enough to get her back on it afterwards. -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 10:27 AMI am thinking about getting a harness for Ava for Dragon*Con and am preparing for the remarks.. "Why is it cruelty to have her walking around strapped to a harness but not strapped a chair? You would say the opposite about a dog." Maybe I should dress her as a puppy and then it would be silly. -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 11:23 AMMy harness for my son has been a godsend. It allows him a modicum of freedom and his little arm doesn't get exhausted having to be held up in the air to hold my hand.
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 1:25 PMbwahahaa... picturing a toddler dressed as a dog! Love it! My daughter is pretty good about sticking with us for the most part, but we do have a little "bear" harness for her and she loves it! She asks for her "bear hug" when we are out places. We've mainly gotten stupid comments from people with no kids at the mall... I think it's a good safety tool. -
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Sat, September 29, 2007 - 3:55 PMSometimes the harness is all that keeps my autistic two year old from running into the street when I'm trying to get his baby brother out of the car. I only have so many hands so nay sayers can bite my shimmying left cheek. :-P
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Mon, August 13, 2007 - 2:37 PMteach her to bark! :) my Mom had me on one when I was really little and when a lady said to my mother "I just think they look like little puppies when they are in those things." I got on all 4's and barked w/ apparently perfect timing. Mom didn't have to say anything; I did it for her. :) -
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 10:59 AMoh, it's not Pennsic I'm going, although I wish.
unfortunately, I could not come to both event
since I'm in Quebec and it's a little far from me.
maybe for another year.
But I'm leaving tomorrow morning!!
it is a 5 day event called Bicolline in Saint-Mathieu-du-Parc.
Sort of Renaissance Fair which has fantasy monsters, elves and magicians.
usually, about 5000 people go every year.
I can't wait!
I'm almost packed,
All costumes is sown, washed and ready,
and my daughter just love trying new clothes on so...
She's a cute gypsy! I'll post a photo here so you can see.
I'll tell the tale when I get back!!
See you next week!!
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 7:40 PMI just got back!
it was wonderful!
My daughter was just a marvelous kid as always, she slept all night, which is great considering the noise and music and people partying till late at night.
and she followed the rules concerning the fire and the camp limit.
We tried the baby sling for 2 nights since it was SOOO cold!
and my daughter just loved it!
Daddy was the one carrying her so she was kept warm for the most part of the night.
she fell asleep in our arms so it was easy to put her in our cabin.
everyone on camp just loved her!
I also had some friends willing to take her for a walk from now and then which relieved the parents.
we alternated as it was suggested and it went perfectly.
I got time to dance, watch a band I loved and danced again, played some music and had henna on my hands.
while daddy enjoyed his nights on his own too.
we alternated mornings too so it helped.
I will definitely repeat the experience again.
I'll put some pictures as soon as I have em on my computer.
thanks to helpful comments from everyone.
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 2:45 PMAnyone have experience with bringing a son to BD classes, events, etc.???
I've seen how cute is is to have the little girls tag along & then they seem to always end up dancing too, but...I am having a little boy! Not to be sexest, but will he be bored....or worse?
I haven't even seen any well behaved young boys..... I'm all nervous about how I get to juggle it all!
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Thu, September 27, 2007 - 4:27 AMGet that boy a drum! haha! Also, at a young age (toddlers) little boys like to break it down and dance as well as the girls. I don't take my daughter to rehearsals unless my hubby goes to watch her (which he does come by sometimes). But that's just because it's easier on me. And depending on the event, I don't see bringing your child any different than anybody else bringing their child.
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Thu, September 27, 2007 - 1:53 PMI think it comes down to having realistic expectations, laying down clear rules & consequences, and being willing to admit when it's not working. In my family, boy #1 loves to dance & can drum with decent attention to rythm at drum circles & really enjoys going to events. He is, however, quite adamant that he will NOT be relegated to the drum just 'cause he's a boy. boy #2 is a complete spaz, would run around & tear everything apart if allowed to, prefers not to come to events and must have direct supervision when he is there. I bring extra games for him when he has to come without dad. Boys do tend to be rowdier than girls when let loose, but they can be well mannered and a lot of fun at the right events when they know what the expectations are. And they are also very cute dancing along. Especially with the little veil that boy #1 insisted on dying pink. Don't tell Dad. oops- too late!
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Fri, September 28, 2007 - 11:59 AMMy 4.5 yr daughter isn't interested in joining us; she just waits 'till we're done so she can show off her "ballet" dancing. My troupemate's 12-yr-old son comes to class and he likes to play with the props, but mostly dress-up and play, not dancing. The only kid who comes who seems interested in bellydancing is the teacher's 1.5 yr old daughter.
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Fri, September 28, 2007 - 1:06 PMMy boys aren't into watching mama dance (I have twins who just turned 3). They get bored, run around, and generally be disruptive. But then I've noticed twins are a whole different breed even from their same-age singleton counterparts. My troupemate has two little boys, and her almost-5-year-old loves to watch the dancing. He'll sit quietly, or do a little drumming, and just watch when we have practice in her house.
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Tue, October 2, 2007 - 3:31 PMWow, thank you soo much for sharing all these experiences....it truely helps paint a picture & gives me hope!!!
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thu, November 15, 2007 - 11:40 PMAnyone have experience with bringing a son to BD classes, events, etc.???
I took my son to all my practices until he was about 2 then he was so bored that it was disruptive. I brought toys, drums, books..you name it. He was bored out of his mind then I'd find him precariously perched on furniture or poking his nose where it shouldn't have been. My daughter is excited to be there. I used to bring her things to do, crayons, books, toys, a movie to watch...she wants to dance.
Dunno.
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Fri, September 28, 2007 - 1:00 PMOnce I was in the mall and I had my son on a harness (he was around 2) and a woman basically attacked me for it "I can't believe some people put their children on leashes like they're dogs" and I returned with "I'd rather have him like this than be dead!!" I was furious! I guess I was sensitive about it because I had just gone through the death of a nephew who had wondered off and ended up face down in a swimming pool.
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Wed, October 3, 2007 - 7:24 AMpeople who object to kids on leashes at the mall have NEVER turned around and not seen their kids. in other words, they don't have kids, because you will always have a situation where you turn and don't see your kid.....usually because he's on the other side of that clothes rack, not because there's anything bad happening. i don't need that kind of scare anymore.
my son has a leash that's a puppy that hugs him. he digs it, and he understands that either puppy hugs him, or he has to be carried. -
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Wed, October 3, 2007 - 2:10 PMI think those things are genius. I mean really what if you have 4 kids...YIKES!!! One is enought to keep track of....! Thank god for leashes...or hugging puppies!
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 5:45 PMmy daughter has the monkey harness with the tail as the leash and she loves it. I also had someone shout at me from their car, and I thought it was interesting that someone would voice their opinion in such a rude and forceful way about something that seems perfectly benign to me. for one thing i do not see anyone objecting to car seats and strollers which use a harness to limit your child's movement. i really don't see my daughter's monkey as very different. plus she gets to run along with me, which always makes for a happy toddler! -
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Mon, October 22, 2007 - 3:09 PMI LOVE hypocrites.........I mean really...their argument against it probably goes something like... you shouldn't treat your child like a dog, it is "RUDE,".....well HELLO people shouting, or giving your opinion, in a judgmental way is RUDE!!!
SORRY, PEOPLE ARE JUST SO OFTEN RETARDED & eager to share their idiocrasies...it is lame & frustrating....like triing to argue scientific facts with dogmatic religious views....there is NO cross-over!!!!
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 5:52 AMI used to hate the idea of the kid leashes until I had twins LOL. I see the appeal. My boys think it's hilarious to run off in two different directions. They're finally outgrowing that stage and will walk next to me or right in front of me. And, I've discovered (for you SCAdians) they are period! In the household records of one of the Tudor queens, the young prince's household items list embroidered leather "reins" for the prince. Tudor baby leashes! I'd have to look up the record again to see the exact date and which queen, I've forgotten it (Mommy Brain Syndrome).
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 8:32 AMMy daughter has the puppy one (where the leash is the tail). She rather play with it more than anything. Our only problem with that is our son would try and walk her like a dog. We didn't end up using it for very long.
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 8:31 AMI bring my kids to my family friendly events. Both of my kids come to the Ren Faires with me. My son is older (8) and usually wanders around by himself but my daughter is 3 and stays close to me. Since we've had kids we're just not late night people anymore so wondering if we want to stay up late to party isn't really an option :)
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Sun, November 18, 2007 - 9:56 AMI'm pregnant with my first child, so I don't really have direct advice to give you because I haven't been in your situation yet. But I'll put in my two cents as an observer.
I have seen TONS of kids, especially toddlers, at camping workshop weekends, haflas, etc. I love watching children in these situations. They complete the atmosphere, especially when all of them pass out in a pile of blankets while the adults keep drumming and dancing around them. Adorable. Older kids love to dance and drum, and it's all good.
I think success depends on the personality of your child, mostly. Some kids are simply not cut out for this type of situation. They hate the crowd, the noise, the disruption of schedule, being around tons of "strangers", or the general chaos. They melt down or cry a lot, or refuse to eat or nurse, or go to sleep. Similarly, some PARENTS aren't cut out for this type of situation either! They get overwhelmed and can't enjoy themselves at all. You know your child the best, and how they adapt to big social situations. You also know your patience threshold, and your partner's, and how much support you will get, and how well you work as a team. If you feel that you can hack it, then you probably can. And on the other hand, you never know until you try. It's worth a try, it really is. And if it doesn't work, and you really want to try again, learn from what didn't work and figure out how to make it work next time. You will figure out your own personal system that works for your family. Just go for it.
As far as hafla events go, I host them from time to time. And I've noticed that sometimes, kids get REALLY bored. And when kids are bored, they run in circles or climb on the stage. Which invariably means collision or skinned knees, or less dancing space for adults. So at my last event, I brought a box of stuff and created a kids corner. I had coloring books and paper, crayons and pencils, puzzles, games, and toy percussion instruments. It gave them another diversion, and bought some time for the parents to relax a little more. Of course they still ran around, which is fine, that's what kids do. But I hope it kept the kids from tugging on mom's harem pants and saying "I'm BOOORRRED." At least for a fifteen minutes anyway.
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Sun, November 18, 2007 - 10:03 AMwhoops! I just reread stuff and saw that you already went and it was a success! Congrats and sorry for the late reply! : ) -
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Sun, November 25, 2007 - 8:56 AMI take mine and this thread seems to support the idea of involving children - great!
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